I have noticed a trend with electronic music and voices. A lot of electronic music with voice is female voice. There are exceptions, there are male voices but it is not as common. Do others notice this?
So of course I bring this up because I am a male vocalist, and because I tend to sing, and not rap I have had a hard time finding electronic collaboration. My voice tends to be soulful, and more toward a male version of elizabeth frasier, with a bit of eastern influence (north indian classical, balkan,and middle eastern), as well as non-verbal and experimantal(meredith monk).
Are those of you who make electronic music more drawn to the female voice? I am just curious.
I am drawn to voices and music that take me to another state of being, or disorientation.
So of course I bring this up because I am a male vocalist, and because I tend to sing, and not rap I have had a hard time finding electronic collaboration. My voice tends to be soulful, and more toward a male version of elizabeth frasier, with a bit of eastern influence (north indian classical, balkan,and middle eastern), as well as non-verbal and experimantal(meredith monk).
Are those of you who make electronic music more drawn to the female voice? I am just curious.
I am drawn to voices and music that take me to another state of being, or disorientation.
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Re: male vocalists and electronica
Fri, February 27, 2004 - 10:46 PMI know what you mean Uma. Frankly, I"m a little tired of this
stereotype: whispy, ultra feminie vocals over electronic dance tracks. I suppose it's why I like Bjork so much: she can get down with her voice and have it be raw.
Apropos of this, I just released a brand new
CD that is entirely realtime vocals with heavy electronic and live looping processing and/or computer generated human voice.
I also performed at the 1st Berlin Live Looping Festival with an amazing live looping acapella vocalist by the name of
Michael Shiefel (www.schiefel.de).
I think, in general(though I eschew generalities for the most part), that woman's voices tend to sound more ethereal than men's which may be why a lot of electronica producers tend towards using female voice although there are some notable exceptions like David Sylvian and Tim Bowness
(check out burning shed on line to see this amazing singers prolific work).
I, too, am drawn to voices and music that take me to other states of being which is why I'm quite fond of a lot of middleeastern desert vocals (Music of the Magrheb).
Check out a really cool CD by Abed Azrie called AROMATES for
a very deep and beautiful voice that is married to very, very minimal and subtly beautiful electronics and frame drum (another nice combination that has not been mined much).
You must also know of the body of work of the late Qawali master from Pakistan, Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan. Qawali is ecstatic music where the singers do not sing words but, instead improvise with vocal sounds. There's a particularly nice collaboration with Nusrat and some electronic musicians
on Real World, called Musst Musst.
Also, the way I see it, when you can't find enough music in the styles that you like, it is a mandate to make some of that music for others like you. I look forward to hearing your CD, given your professed sensibilities. Please let me know when you release it. Any mp3s online of stuff you've done?
Also, have you checked out Voice and Electronica tribe here at tribe.net. Come on over and join us.
You also mentioned that you don't beat box. I just did an amazing show with three beatboxers (including Kid Lucky and Kid Beyond, representing the East and West Coasts). What was very hip was that they were both moving into melodic territory and more avante garde sound textures to augment their original hip hop base. Check their stuff out.
I also started doing what I call Faux Industrial Beatboxing because I was a little sick of everything being hip hop oriented (thought I do love those rhythms). I'm also trying out things like trying to replicate analogue drum machines and west african djembe drummers, etc.). The voice is such an amazing instrument. It really can do almost anything. Let's do it!!! -
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DOH!!@!!!@##@@!!#$@$!$!$
Fri, February 27, 2004 - 10:48 PMI'm so tired that I thought I was abstract electronica
and didn't realize that we ARE IN THE VOICE and ELECTRONICS tribe......................DOH!!!!!!!
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Re: DOH!!@!!!@##@@!!#$@$!$!$
Sun, March 7, 2004 - 11:52 PMI do beat box some. But it is more alien and tribal beat box than hardcore ubran beat box. but I love all styles of beatbox.
I am also a pretty good bass(accented with rhythms) when it comes to freestyle circle singing, i tend to be a force in ropin in all the straggling solos into a cohesive rhythm and key. And holding that part until it wants to shift.
I agree about making music that I am longing to hear. I feel like I am working that out. As for a CD, it looks like right now it is more about finding collaborators and creating with others. I sketch a lot on my mini-disc four track sometimes using an mc-303 to make beats, with multiple vocal parts. but I do not know much about, or have the equip. to make mp3s. But I will keep you posted about future projects.
I am one of two main vocalists (in a more soul/folk/world voice aesthetic)on A CD called "Circo Zero". Myself And my vocal partner, collaborated with an electronica composer, and a circus to rearrange american folk, hymn, and work songs to beats. We performed with the circus live, and then at the end of that show made a nice CD. I am selling it if anyone is interested. ;} -
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what is alien beatboxing?
Tue, March 9, 2004 - 6:17 PMThat sounds cool, Uma, What is Alien Beatboxing?
I also do a lot of styles that veer away from urban hip hop:
I'm particularly into what I called Faux Industrial BeatBoxing
where I'm trying to make machine sounds and compressed air sounds, et. al.
Also, how much of a computer do you own? Let me know the
processor speed, amount of RAM and hard drive space and I just might be able to help you to make mp3s from your minidisc experiements.
My entire last live CD, Translucent Dayglo Lime Green Plastic
was done on a stereo minidisc player and then mastered, assembled and edited in a PC. It's not difficult and , considering, the price of stand alone hard drive professional recorders, not very expensive to get into a computer recording system.
Frankly, it has changed my whole life to do so. I make my own recordings,mix and master them, do the artwork, print it and manufacture my own CDs with a good PC.
The wonderful thing is that when you sell a CD for $10-$15 you
make an actual profit of $8-$13 dollars PER CD so it makes all the work worthwhile. I have also found that people really want to buy your CDs when they have seen you live and really enjoyed themselves and that, frequently, they will pay more when they realize that you don't have the benefite of major distritution or a record company behind you for tour support.
I highly recommend that you give it a thought for your next project, Uma
good luck. take care, Rick
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Re: male vocalists
Fri, April 2, 2004 - 3:21 AMgreetings all,
considering th plethora of male vocals in most other styles of music in the last century or so i find it refreshing that more woman are getting behind the microphones, however i have noticed that a lot of the 'electronica' seems to be selling a sultry, commercial, kind of sound that really doesn't seem to open up any room for these vocalists to really put out anything of substance. i don't get to listen to all that much of what is out there though so maybe i am missing the really solid stuff.
yep nusrat with michael brook is quite excellent.
i personally am finding it really hard to connect with folks to do live sounds in the sf bay area because of a lack of usable spaces. unless there's a lot of money involved (djs mostly) there doesn't seem to be too many places where we could all get together and make some noise...
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Re: male vocalists
Tue, December 28, 2004 - 7:47 PMof course if you want to see a very expansive use of the female voice mixed with electronica, the best name i can throw around would be diamanda galas tho not all of her stuff uses electronics.... -
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Re: male vocalists
Thu, December 30, 2004 - 12:21 AMyeah, all props to Diamanda Galas. I'm close friends with Dr. Richard Zvonar who did all of her electronic processing for many many years on the road.
I say, MORE MALE VOCALS IN ELECTRONICA...........especially more male vocals in more experimental electronica.
I sing on three tracks of my new CD that is being released on New Year's Eve, PURPLE HAND but it is very ethereal and whispy and falsetto (fell to the same stereotype I suppose) but I'm gearing up to do a goth/darkwave project this year and I'm going to see how down and dirty I can be on that material. -
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Re: male vocalists
Thu, December 30, 2004 - 8:37 PMsee maybe its just me but i see a lot of the manipulation of male vocals in especially gothy stuff - or should i stay stuff that goths latch on to....
skinny puppy, coil, legendary pink dots, NWW (the last two especially NOT bein goths but being "latched on to")
hell, sisters of mercy would sound like crap if they didnt drop mr eldritch's voice an octave or so....
marilyn hanson as well... (well they sound like crap anyways IM(NS)HO)
a LOT of industrial music uses distortion and such on male vocals, but few actually do it in any interesting ways
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Re: male vocalists
Fri, November 4, 2005 - 11:01 PMwow, somebody else thinks so also? ;-)
Yes, female vocals, either "diva style" or "distant and mysterious".
In electroclash, an androgynous guy might sing it? this is the stereotype.
or maybe endless samples of a rapper, saying 2 sentences.
Which means a man who sings baritone (that's me) is somewhat of an anomaly!
(except in industrial music, with intense distortion, as said.)
It seems interesting to use "human beatbox" on a style other than hiphop... (such as Bjorks recent album) go for it!
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Re: male vocalists
Sat, November 5, 2005 - 4:21 AMExactly, When I performed at the Kobe Underground Festival in Japan this past summer I did a lot of what I call Faux Industrial Beatbox...........a lot of noise in the grooves and decidely non-hip hop in beat.
I also used a pitch shifter a lot (that cheesy but loveable Digitech Vocal 300)
so that I could recntextualize some of the drumming grooves.
There is also an amazing amount of rhythm from ethnic sources (as opposed to pop) that one can draw from.
I'm even into trying to emulate really cheesy analogue synth drum machines
instead of real drums.
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words becoming percussion
Thu, November 17, 2005 - 12:45 AMyeah, Buddhist vocals are great- Tuvan singing, and the Indonesian "Monkey Chant" - Kechack!
what you said (any links to said tracks?) reminded me of this -
I've been thinking of producing tracks of rhythmic spoken word - not really "rap" or "industrial" because they have stylistic requirements
"Talking to a Beat". Perhaps "words becoming percussion" (or electronic percussion becoming words?)
I did some albums around the "turn of the century" featuring electronic music and vocals, oft compared to the doors, or maybe magnetic fields?
I like echo - lots of beatsynched echo.
since then, I got into a lot of side projects, most recently becoming a VideoJocky.
in 2006, I plan to complete many unfinished tracks and releace a new solo album (with a lot of cameos? so not exactly solo)
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